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john sefton
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Victory HMS (Nelson)

Post by john sefton » Thu May 14, 2009 7:44 pm

1st Rate 104 Guns, built at Chatham Dockyard her keel laid on 23rd July 1759. Launched at Chatham Royal Dockyard in 1765. Named VICTORY because 1759 was the year of Victories, in the seven Years war. Celebrating Land Victories at Quebec and Minden, with the Naval Victories of Lagos and Quiberon Bay. She was launched on the 7th May 1765 she was then de-masted and placed in reserve on the River Medway for 13 years until the War of American Independence.
Her First Captain in March 1778 was John Lindsay, in May 1778 when Admiral Keppel decided to raise his flag in her she was commissioned. She first saw action at Ushant. In 1781 bearing the flag of Admiral Kempenfelt she took part in the 2nd Battle of Ushant.
In 1796 the Flag ship of Admiral John Jervis she saw action at Cape St Vincent. In October 1799 after a period of out of service she was reconditioned.
Admiral Lord Nelson hoisted his flag in her when she was re-commissioned in May 1803.
On the 19th October 1805 she was Nelson's Flagship at Trafalgar. In the Battle she lost 52 men and had 102 wounded, she was damaged and was towed to " Gibraltar firstly and then to Portsmouth.
After Trafalgar, she remained in active service until 1812 and was then preserved in Portsmouth. In 1922, she was taken into drydock and lovingly restored to her 'Trafalgar' condition.
Details from Ted Evans, Liverpool.
Antigua SG278,
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Re: Victory HMS (Nelson)

Post by john sefton » Fri Sep 24, 2010 12:06 pm

The MS issued by Ghana in 2005 for the 200th Anniversary of the Battle of Trafalgar in 1805, is designed after a painting made by Nicholas Pocock in 1807, which showing five warships in which Nelson served as a captain and flag officer.The stamp is a reverse design of the painting, which shows five ships, the MS gives only four ships, according the inscription on the stamp the HMS AGAMEMNON, VANGUARD, ELEPHANT and CAPTAIN, but that is a mistake, the ship in the foreground on the left side of the stamp is the HMS VICTORY, the AGAMEMNON is not depicted. On the right of the MS in the foreground is show the HMS ELEPHANT, behind her with a broadside view is the VANGUARD, on the right in the foreground the VICTORY and behind her the CAPTAIN.The ships are depicted when drying sails in a calm at Spithead, Portsmouth.
Information supplied by Auke Palmhof.
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Re: Victory HMS (Nelson)

Post by john sefton » Thu Aug 04, 2011 9:33 pm

The first stamps of Great Britain to depict a ship were the 2/6d. (green) and the 5/0d. (red) both issued on 3 May 1951. Under the thirty year embargo which the Post Office imposes the perusal of all correspondence held in its archives it is only fairly recently that it has been possible to discover some of the drama which proceeded the eventual production.
It appears that at least six artists were invited to produce designs for this set and most of these were regarded by the Committee as 'a pretty poor lot', an exception being made at least in the case of a Mrs Mary Adshead. Certainly her handwriting puts many of the other extant letters to shame and is a delight to read. She was clearly a most competant artist having exhibited pictures at the Royal Academy and had specialised in mural painting, including Selfridges in London, a church in Witherington and a salon in the Golden Arrow train. She had previously designed a stamp for the Postal Union in 1949.
However, despite her obvious competence, she seems to have been worked extremely hard, having to produce one design after another before the Committee was completely satisfied with her attempts. First, before the 'Victory' ship design could be accepted it had to receive the Royal approval and at one stage it seems that the King (George VI) would have preferred a picture of the 'The Endeavour' - the exploration ship of Captain Cook. In the end this alteration was not agreed by the Committee although several of his other suggestions were in fact accepted.
After this, Mrs Adshead still had a number of hurdles to surmount before all her work was rewarded by success for next, the Admiralty had to be consulted and this brought a crop of needful corrections, including, among others, the addition of a dolphin striker beneath the bowsprit and one yard on the bowsprit, the removal of one sail on both the mainmast. and the mizzen mast, an alteration of the stays between the foremast and the bowsprit and the correct positioning of the flag on the mainmast.
Next it was the turn of the Naval Construction Department which noted that the anchor flukes should be at right angles to the stock, and that the mainsail should not have been semi-furled while the stun sail were rigged, and the stunsails should have been rigged on the two lower sails on the foremast and mainmast and the yards on the bowsprit should have been fitted underneath.
By this time I am sure the poor artist must have had her head spinning with all the technical detail being thrown at her, all requiring new drawings. She was also instructed to keep in constant close touch with the printers during the whole production process, a technical marathon on its own. Anyone now reading all this material must feel that Mrs Adshead more than earned her fees. She certainly will always have an honoured place among 'Ship Stamp' philatelists as being the first to tread the minefield of British naval preclslon.
Certainly to a laymans eyes the completed picture is an excellent representation of Great Britain's most famous ship and it provided us with a handsome stamp. However, it would be interesting to have the opinion of the knowledgable seamen of the Society as to the complete success of Mrs Adsheads attempt after all the advice that came her way.
As far as the 5/0d. stamp is concerned, soon after its launch a query was raised by one sharp eyed correspondent that the 'large fishing smack in sail is apparently setting off on its journey unmanned'!'. By this time I should think she had endured enough criticism and she replied the photograph from which she had worked had no sign of a man on board so she presumed he was hidden by the sail. Apparently that settled the matter and she does not seem to have been asked to submit any more corrections.
(with grateful thanks to the Postal Archives & Archives Centre staff at Mount Pleasant, London)
Log Book March 1995
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Re: Victory HMS (Nelson)

Post by aukepalmhof » Sat Feb 18, 2012 2:40 am

Mr. Ken Berry did identify the three-decker one the Aruba 2011 250c stamp as the HMS VICTORY, Nelson ship, and I agree with this. The flag shown on the stern of the ship is the Union Jack; this flag was not used before 1801 he gives.
When you enlarge the photo of the second image you clearly can read the name VICTORY.

http://www.wincustomize.com/explore/wallpapers/15812

The last image gives the vessel after which the stamps was designed but reverse.

Regard Auke Palmhof.

St Thomas and Prince 2003 7000 Db sg?, scott?
Gambia 1998 D3 sg2905, scott2065.
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The 35c Anguilla stamp issue in 1981 sg 450 was designed after a painting made in 1807 by Nicholas Pocock, which shows five warships on which Nelson served.
HMS AGAMEMNON on the far left.
HMS VANGUARD a broadside view.
HMS ELEPHANT in front of her, a stern view.
HMS CAPTAIN in the middle distance.
HMS VICTORY in the foreground.

The Nicaragua stamp is also designed after this painting and shows Nelsons flagship HMS VICTORY and in the distance is the HMS CAPTAIN
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Re: Victory HMS (Nelson)

Post by Anatol » Mon Mar 04, 2013 7:40 pm

The stamp Nicaragua 3.0cop written "Vaguard"-is displayed error.On the stamp images"Victoria" is a fragment of the picture Nicolas Pokock-Flagships Nelson.To the right on the picture,- "Victoria".
Nicaragua 1998;3,0сор; SG?
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Re: Victory HMS (Nelson)

Post by Arturo » Sat Jan 24, 2015 9:38 pm

Victory HMS (Nelson)

Djibouti 1981, S.G.?, Scott: 531.

Djibouti 1981, S.G.?, Scott: 532.

Madagascar 1993, S.G.?, Scott: 1131j.

Scotland, Summer Isles, ? ? ?

Jamaica 2005, S.G.?, Scott: 1195.

Jersey 2005, S.G.?, Scott: 1195.

Lesotho 2005, S.G.?, Scott: 1381a.
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Re: Victory HMS (Nelson)

Post by aukepalmhof » Wed Apr 08, 2015 8:44 pm

Chad 2014 700F sg?, scott?
Chad 2015 1500F sg?, scott?
Mozambique 2015 175.00Mt sg?, scott?
Togo 2015 1500F sg?, scott? also MS, which shows also the HMS TRINCOMALEE of 1817.
Mozambique 2011 175.000MT sgMS?, scott?
SURINAME 2019 7.00 SRD sg?, scott?
Bermuda 2005 10c sg956, scott?
Falkland Islands 2005 £2.00 sgMS1033, scott?
Great Britain 2005 1st sg2575, scott?
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2011 VICTORY  (2).jpg
2019 victory hms (2).jpg
2005 Victory.jpg
2005 Nelson wounded on deck VICTORY Bicentenary-of-the-Battle-of-Trafalgar.jpg
2005 Victory Nelson wounded in Battle-of-Trafalgar.jpg
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Re: Victory HMS (Nelson)

Post by aukepalmhof » Fri Jan 04, 2019 6:58 pm

Gibraltar 2000 30p sg?, scott 881

HMS VICTORY
£1.35
Best remembered as Admiral Lord Nelson’s flagship at the Battle of Trafalgar on 21 October 1805, the VICTORY had seen nearly 40 years of active service before then. At Trafalgar, the ship was involved in heavy fighting against the combined French and Spanish fleet, during which Nelson was mortally wounded. Between 1808 and 1812, HMS VICTORY was Admiral James Saumarez’s flagship in the Baltic, within what was then the senior red squadron of the Navy. At this time, the ship flew the red ensign. Until 1864, the Navy operated a squadron system of blue, white and red. Later, the white ensign was adopted for Royal Navy warships, red for the merchant service and blue for auxiliary vessels. In dry dock at Portsmouth since 1922, HMS VICTORY is the oldest commissioned warship in the world. The flagship of the First Sea Lord, head of the Royal Navy, VICTORY is now at the National Museum of the Royal Navy.

Laos 1971 900K sg?, scott?
Ascension 2005 65p sg938, scott?
Great Britain £1.35 sg?, scott?
Solomon Islands 2005 $10 sg 1160, scott?. viewtopic.php?f=2&t=17551
Sharjah 1996 5 Dh sg?, scott? and 1996 5 Dh sg?, scott?
Morocco Agencies 1951 sg 99, Scott?
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2005 VICTORY Trafalgar.jpg
1971 HMS--Victory-.jpg
2005 Battle of Trafalgar Ships-in-battle.jpg
1969 Victory.jpg
1969 Victory apollo XII (1).jpg
1951 King-George-VI---HMS-Victory (2).jpg
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Re: Victory HMS (Nelson)

Post by D. v. Nieuwenhuijzen » Wed Jun 05, 2019 6:56 pm

Isle of Man 2005, block 2 x £1, StG.?
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Re: Victory HMS (Nelson)

Post by aukepalmhof » Sat Jan 16, 2021 7:29 pm

Paraguay issued a stamp in 1980 of Gs8 for the 175th Anniversary of the Battle of Trafalgar. The stamp is designed after a painting in the Maritime Museum Greenwich in England and painted by Monamy Swaine. By this painting is given.
The 'VICTORY' is shown broadside to port, from windward, going down Channel with Rudyerd's Eddystone Lighthouse distantly visible beyond her stern. She is shown flying the flag of Lord Hood as Vice-Admiral of the Red (red at the fore), as she heads outward-bound with her squadron in 1793 for the Mediterranean, where she was Hood's flagship at the Siege of Toulon and the invasion of Corsica. Hood had been promoted to Admiral of the Blue by the time he returned in November 1794, and on the left 'VICTORY' is shown again, leading the return of his squadron. In the main view 'VICTORY' also flies a Union jack on her bowsprit and a red ensign, as do other ships of the outward-bound squadron following her. The 'VICTORY' was floated out of dock at Chatham in 1765 and the picture shows her as built except that she has been coppered. This process first took place in March 1780, when the bottom of the ship below the waterline was sheathed with 3923 sheets of copper to protect her hull against ship-worm. The name 'VICTORY' is present on the stern. In 1797 she was Sir John Jervis's flagship at the Battle of Cape St Vincent and in 1801-03 had a major rebuild at Chatham that enclosed her stern galleries and gave her a new figurehead. She then went to the Mediterranean as Nelson's flagship, up to and including at the Battle of Trafalgar in 1805. Monamy was the son of the better-known Francis Swaine and grandson of the even more famous Peter Monamy, after whom he was named. He was active from about 1769 to 1774 and if this painting is by him (as it has generally been attributed) into the 1790s. As an artist, he specialized in still-life and genre, although he exhibited two marine pictures at the Free Society of Artists in 1771 and 1772.

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Paraguay 1980 Gs 8 sg?, scott 1972f
Anguilla 1981 80c sg 451, scott?
Tristan da Cunha 1971 1½p sg 135, scott?
Alderney 2005 45p sg 257 (Victory is breaking the line, the French ship is the REDOUTABLE)
Upper Volta 1976 200f sg 417, scott"
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VICTORY HMS by Monamy Swaine.jpg
1980 Victory-barco-del-almirante-Nelson.jpg
1981 victory on Anguilla.jpg
1971 Victory--at-Trafalgar-and-T-Swain-catching-Nelson.jpg
2005 VICTORY and REDOUTABLE.jpg
1976 Victory Nelson ship.jpg

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